Asked on 24 Apr 2019
We're meeting the CPF team next week and we are keen to give them some feedback on how it can be improved as well. I just wrote a piece on CPF vs other pension schemes in the world, and I'm curious to understand the community's thoughts on CPF in Singapore!
The main issue I have with CPF is the CPFIS scheme. Some reforms have been implemented but more can be done.
Cost prohibitive to have a diversified portfolio of stocks (especially if your positions are small) due to quarterly $2.14 charge per counter. Having 10 stocks = $85.60 per annum. I understand these are bank fees and CPF may not be able to influence them, but one can try.
Limit amount you can use to buy Unit Trusts, ILPs, Annuities and Endowments. Having no limits on those products make no sense when most of these products underperform Index funds. It also encourages predatory financial advisors to recklessly sell these products to customers as “you can’t touch this money anyway”
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25 Apr 2019
25 Apr 2019
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Limits on property purchase. Higher Medisave withdrawal limits for insurance and bills across all ages.
Other pension schemes around the world are sometimes only for the social security or the CPF Life part. Not many use our 3 account system for housing needs, retirement needs, and medical needs.
I think that our CPF needs to be more segregated from each other. People don't understand that Medisave amount cannot take out, and say their CPF got a lot of money when it's all just Medisave. Quite a lot of lack of education.
And I can't wait for RSS to be phased out permanently and for everyone to be on CPF life. Less headache as well.
Definitely check out Japan's iDeco system. It allows people to voluntarily contribute to a separate pseudo retirement account and comes with tax breaks at both ends (i.e. Contributing from pre-tax income and not paying any tax on gains). It's also designed to be simple for those who aren't financially savvy but allows the individual to pick from several funds based on risk appetite etc.
26 Oct 2019
A lot of people are not clear what Medisave could be used for. There also seems to be a lot of restrictions with regards to the usage of Medisave. At the same time, the BHS (Basic Healthcare Sum) is increasing every year. Perhaps more education in this area could be provided to the public. Just a suggestion.
Something I have been thinking about for a while now but still irks me from time to time:
1) there are a number of employers who structure the pay package in a way to avoid CPF. So now there's this group who don't get CPF contributions regularly, and they might not be considered self-employed. How to help them? With the way the act is worded, voluntary contribution gives no relief, and they don't get CPF relief because it is not employment contribution (and they aren't self-employed). Granted these folks may pay max 150 tax per year, but surely you would want them to start baby steps in CPF at least? They get relief for MediSave / SA top up, but isn't voluntary contribution going to OA also a means for them to save towards HDB, which might be a more pressing need than retirement? They aren't getting the CPF relief for employment but they are working... Shouldn't the act be expanded to give them some leeway to help them save for HDB?
2) the accrued interest concept for CPF monies drawn out for property is... rather strange.
A) taking money out for property accrues interest, but taking money out for investment doesn't accrue interest... A bit double standard. And add on my own example - let's say I use my 200k of OA to buy some REITs and they generate 5% dividends annually = 10k dividends which I return to CPF OA to pay HDB loan. I don't owe interest to myself for borrowing to buy the REITs, but once I use the dividends to pay for HDB loan payments, I accrue and owe myself interest. Hmm a bit strange, but if I have enough in my SA, and I make good returns to use the OA to pay for HDB and excess dividends to save for retirement... I still need to owe myself interest?
B) the CPF accrued interest as I understand now will continue to accrue until you reach 55, upon when the RA is formed, and I think the accrued interest is wiped out / forgotten. So what does that mean? If we have enough money for retirement, then the accrued interest isn't an issue? But if the folks who drawn on CPF to pay for HDB have extra cash, then doesn't it make more sense to do the RSTU and get tax relief for that, while contributing to SA that earns 4%? Does it make more sense to have the accrued interest abolished/written off if these folks have hit the FRS with SA balance? It should be along with the same goal and does away with this weird accrued interest concept.
C) if we aren't doing away with the accrued interest, then something I would like to have... A form for recurring giro deduction to pay down the monies I draw from OA for my property. I think it might be a lot easier to pay a bit monthly for a while to clear away this "debt".
I hope to see more simplicity of the system
more education of any changes to the many nooks and crannies of the schemes so that there wouldn’t be pointless sensationalism over non-mainstream media
And for the scheme to focus more on retirement than usage on the property for obvious reasons
And it’ll succeed when people’s point of view towards CPF monies usage to be more for retirement planning than merely buying HDB
I am a retiree, age 72 yes. I enjoyed a mthly withdrawal from CPF retirement a/c for our daily household living expenses. I've chronic illnesses and is prescribed medications from our NHS polyclinics for hypertension and stroke medications. These medications plus consultations comes to avg S$120.00/mth. However, MOH, will allow a withdrawal of ONLY $700.00 max per year. At this rate my current Medisave a/c bal can sustain the my withdrawal for another 50+ yrs ( IE, I'll be 120+ yrs old). I had asked CPF Board as well as MOH officers responsible for the Medisave a/c to allow for an increase in my Medisave a/c withdrawal for payment of my medications but was rejected. Hence, I had to reduce my cash expenditures to offset the max Medisave limit allowed for withdrawal for my chronic illnesses medications. With such a policy, I am sure to leave a sum of Medisave fund on my demise when my need for it is denied now. There are many netizens in similar circumstances. I hope to see a fair withdrawal limit, IE, l in relation to fund available in Medisave a/c and notban arbitrary amount applicable to every member a/c balances.
I'm writing a piece now and here's a really interesting and also slightly comical finding:
Singapore: Central Provident Fund (CPF)
Malaysia: Employee Provident Fund (EPF)
Hong Kong: Mandatory Provident Fund (MPF)
USA: 401k scheme
They mostly sound the same... CPF, EPF and MPF.
Waiting to get more comments on this!
Reduce the incentive for unscrupulous financial advisors. If a customer surrenders any policies in his CPF, within 12 months, new policies will have NO commission for the advisors.
Provide a higher interest rate for CPF-SA. Right now 4% is very little for an account that has 20 - 40 years of lock-in.
I am 62 and my wife is 60 this year. We are fortunate to be able to accumulate both our RA to ERS and will be drawing down from age 65. If I pass on before my wife or her before me, my suggestion is for CPF to allow the remaining balances in our RA account to be transferred to the surviving spouse's account, instead of a payout in cash to prevent the elderly to money scams, investments etc. An enhanced nomination has its limitations as you are well aware.
Medisave acct - for those with no chronic history and hardly touch Medisave, makes no sense to keep increasing amt and retiree can't touch when still alive. Esp if the person has no dependents to bequeath to.
Whole CPF system is overly complicated. Suggest revert to the primary objective of funding retirement need and maybe plus one secondary area eg housing or health etc (depending on members choice). Can't have everything.
From age 65, calculate monthly payouts based on max 20 yrs duration. More meaningful to live a better quality of life when retiree still mobile. No point leaving hard-earned $$$ behind when gone.
Regarding CPF Vs other provident fund. One main difference is with regards to expats requirement to contribute to the fund. It should be mandatory for employer that for all employees local or non citizen should be required to make such contribution.
Example if a job opening that has a budget of 5000.
The company can hire a local at 4200 or an expat at 5000. This is the discrepancy when such provident rate is not applied across the board. Meaning 37% of the CPF is technically contributed by local and PR due to the long run effect of the scheme.
Employers should be required to contribute employer's portion regardless of citizenship. This will make hiring consideration more fair and just.
Other countries likely require expats to contribute.
I hope this issue can be raise for discussion as it affects almost all PMETs and fellow Singaporeans during hiring consideration
Upon turning 55, RA will be created and savings from SA will be transferred to RA first, followed by OA if there’s insufficient fund in SA.
May I suggest that CPF Board gives members a choice to decide if they want to transfer their monies in OA to RA first (before SA)?
This is because CPF members aren’t allowed to top up SA through Retirement Sum Topping-Up Scheme (RSTU) after 55 and many of us prefer to preserve our savings in SA so as to earn higher interest.
How much higher can we have the interest rate go? How did this rate get computed? Why up to 5%?
Can we lift the $7k cap annually for tax relief when transferring OA to SA?