AMA SG Young Investment
Asked by Anonymous
Asked on 07 Sep 2018
I am not sure if we should jump into applying for the BTO now as we are both still repaying our student loans. We have just started working as well. And we have checked and found that we are eligible for the deferred assessment of income schedule that was recently launched in May 2018.
I am a believer in well planning in advance.
1) Upon reading your question, actually the first thing that strikes out to me is the relationship. I assume both of you are certain wanting to share your life with each other and not simply because it is the “norm” stage. Pardon me as I am not trying to be offensive but this is important. There are cases of young couples having to folk out a lot penalty $ when they forgo their successful BTO supposing, plus might be ‘blacklisted’ and wait longer next time.
2) Next, at this early stage of career, are you certain both of you like the jobs you are in and can stay for at least 2 years in same company? Oftentimes this is the stage of “finding” yourself in your job and tendency to job hop. The concern here is on your income stability.
3) If you are absolutely certain on items 1 & 2, then I suggest to do a proper financial calculation. List down all the liabilities each of you own like school loan, credit cards. Fixed expenses like food, transport, insurance premiums. Discretionary lifestyle like fine dining, travelling. Total assets if any like CPF OA and any cash savings. It is understandable if you do not have enough cpf and cash for the deposit. However I think BTO using HDB loan is only 5% using CPF which is $20k supposing $400k BTO and you since you will be eligible for deferred scheme I don’t think you need to worry about this deposit. For 2 adults, need only 1 year work to accumulate this $20k in OA.
4) After doing item 3, set out a savings goal like each person save 20% (not sure how much if comfortable) of nett take home pay after paying of your liabilities. You should each open a separate bank account and automate this savings like the SAYE. Also do talk about your lifestyle choices if anything should be cut out like less movies, less travelling etc. This saving goal is not just for your BTO but should be Long term practice due to wedding, home renovation, future kids, emergency back up savings, investments, retirement. Try to increase the rate % as your income increases and debts decreases.
5) Continue to pay off your study school loans concurrently while you save up
If you are able to rationally discuss and take action on the 5 items above, then I think you are ready to apply for BTO. Applying for BTO doesn’t mean you will get it. I know many who applied like 5 times never get it as depends on your luck too. A BTO is definitely a savings in itself since much cheaper than resale especially since you will get lots of grants from government.
Good luck and don’t worry so much. One can only plan ahead and take actions based on information and sources available at point in time. You are both university educated and both working, it is just a matter of time (couple years) for your debts to be over
I think there's a few questions we can ask ourselves:
Are we sure that at current stage, we're stable and confirm in our r/s leading to marriage ? (This is because many of my friends were not sure / stable and at the point of marriage or before they even go to the discussion of marriage, they are not sure and end up break off before that and lose all the deposit and the chance of 1st priorities to get BTO because of cancellations).
Once #1 is cleared and sure, and you both are sure that you're gonna marry each other no matter what happens, then you should:
(A) Check both of your salary, do a budget, see where you can cut (Expenses usually, if you need help on how to cut, you can pm me and I'll be glad to help) and how much you can spare to be able to pull out for BTO repayment monthly (Cash for bank loan or your CPF OA)
(B) list down your study loan repayment schedule (how much to repay per month, how long you need to repay).
(C) Use your results in (A), (B) versus your ability to pay @ HDB. (Note that you also need to consider between Bank VS HDB Loan. Typically Bank interest rate is lower but it may raise in times of bad economy(but you can refinance when good times some other bank offer lower interest rate) , while some choose a safer bet of HDB fix loan @ 2.6%. Read this useful guide by Seedly: https://blog.seedly.sg/the-complete-guide-bank-hdb-loan/ to know more).
(D) Choice of HDB: For newly weds, I suggest get a 3 room BTO (About 200k all the fees included with 2 bedroom suffcient for couple and a study / kid room) because that's a balance start and after 5 years when both your income has grow, meeting the min stay (MOP) of a HDB flat to be able to sell and when you guys probably about or already have 1st kid or even 2nd kid, then you can sell and buy a 4 room HDB for the extra bedroom for both kids and use the extra space for them to play/roam around in the house)
If you are able come out with the 5% Cash as downpayment and sufficient OA in your CPF, both your monthly CPF contributions is sufficient to cover the HDB loan of both(you and hubby/wife) share and your monthly income repayment for the study loan (5/8/10 years) repayment is managable (means with some small amount of cash able about 5 to 10% to save monthly after repaying the study loan for emergency use), then why not go ahead with BTO (which will comes after 2.5 years after successful applications and lead time balloting of possibly 1.5 years, a total of 4 years wait!! ) ?
(i) The best is if you both can stay in one of your family house first (some compromises of staying with in-laws) to save $ before BTO comes in 4 years (as this will save you room rentals cost of 4 years $800 +/- x 4 x 12 = 38.4k and you would have settle another 4 years study loan, not to mentioned you can use the 4 years to save for more $ for BTO.
(ii) If you don't have a place to stay or have difficult in-laws, then BTO seems to be the sensible choice rather than renting out rooms outside where you need to waste $800 +/1 to rent a HDB room. So instead of paying for others, why not hustle and pay for your own home sweet home now!
(iii) House Grant available to save lots of $:
Such as SHG and AHG. See: https://www.hdb.gov.sg/cs/infoweb/residential/buying-a-flat/new/first-timer-applicants and thus save a lot.
(iV) If you plan to have kids in 1 to 2 years time, a house is important for a growth of a kid as you don't have sufficient space and safety for a baby to roam in a rented room be it own family house or BTO wait of 4 years.
Cheers. Hope it's a good point of few for your considerations. As always , you're a couple now, so discuss anything and everything with him/her :)
Happy Marriage and BTOing :)
Basic short answer is no.
Let me tackle this from a pure financial perspective - Interest cost of student loan -5%, HDB theoretical returns => 5% rental yield, 1% capital gains, 2% interest cost nets out to be roughly 4%.
So if given a choice between paying off your loan or buying a HDB, pay off the loan first.
Second thing to consider is this - when you are young, you need flexibility esp in today’s job market where you might find yourself switching careers early . In order to facilitate those decisions, having a stash of cash is always better.
Last of all, i get the feeling that you are looking at a BTO from a pure financial perspective. If thats the case, dont do it. The returns from a BTO are not that impressive anyway and certainly not worth rushing to marry for it.
Only purchase when u can afford it Or The rice is cooked already.
Reason: already in debt is a problem. Being in multiple debts is worst.
Tt could lead to break out which forfeit the deposit.
Plus there is a one year ban for bto application if the bto is the only choice.
Anyway, to be serious.
If they can commit to the cheapest bto which is lot lesser compare to a mature estates with all grants approved, is still do able.
If the grants are used to pay down payment, the couple will owe cpf the grants money and ask to return back.
So from student loan debt, it becomes 1. Loss money in deposit 2. Payback to all cpf granted 3. Loss confidenCe in love 4. Become a laughing stock among relatives 5. Have to declare to new rs about the one year ban.
Getting married and getting a flat is one thing but once it goes haywire there will be alot of complication that might be long lasting in a or 2 person life.
3 room and 2 room to me will be ok. Since BTO will take years to build. Hopefully your student loan will be paid fully by then. While waiting for flat you can consider renting from the government in 1 room flat. (requirements I'm not quite sure)
I want to get a BTO too. But... I'm single :(((
As quoted by Warren Buffett: "Never depend on single income. Make investment to create a second source."
It's dangerous to depend solely on single income from your work to pay off your student loan(s), housing loan(s) and other expenses. If one day, the unexpected happens, such as an accident, such that you're unable to work anyone, then you would lose that single income, which would affect your ability to pay off the expenses and then got into heavy debt.
What you can do is, while working to earn active income:
Good to start early because of
Access to grants
The luxury of time to pick and choose the BTO estate that you want
The luxury of time to work hard and build a career with earning power (your BTO will take 4-5 years to complete, are you confident that you'll be earning enough to pay your mortage by then?)
But keep in mind the following:
MUST have forward financial planning; calculate your downpayment, reno costs, how much you'll need to earn, what you'll need to sacrifice for your BTO etc
Affirmation that your other half is the person that you want to spend the rest of your life with (as you might possibly lose your downpayment if things go wrong down the line)
My regret was not starting the BTO process earlier, thinking that it would be relatively easy to get (5 times reject here)
Hi there, I wouldn't suggest it because having 2 loans at the same time is a very big amount of stress. Inflations aside, job stability is a concern. Usually in the first few years of work people tend to go around trying things out so it's not as stable. If you have to hold on to a job because you have 2 loans to pay, that would be even harder to take as time goes by.
Also, it depends if you have any savings right now. I would assume none; and if you apply for the BTO then don't take it, you will soon be marked for it and given a lower priority. $ is always a concern and if your combined salary can meet the minimum downpayment + have some spare for rainy days in CPF/cash, why not? However all these information are not available so I'd assume you are applying for BTO first only because you want to have the flat asap.
My suggestion, go to the hdb website and take the questionaire on what's the maximum loan you can take out at HDB with your existing salaries https://services2.hdb.gov.sg/webapp/BP27MaxLoan/BP27PMax1.jsp, and also study this step by step carefully. It will prep you with the costs you are going to deal with if you have a BTO and give you a better idea if you should take on the BTO or not at this point.
BTO is heavily subsidised and It is great to apply first with assumption that you and your Significant Other is in a "VERY" stable position.
My other pointers are covered by other answers.
1) Stable Relationship
2) Ability to secure a stable job with monthly pay or start up that you confident of earning decent pay.
3) With fall-back support from families if needed.
If you have all 3 stars align, go for it. #3 is optional, but happy to have some affirmation.
PS: BTO , the ROI is one of the highest you can get. I saw many people sell after 5-10 years, yielding 50% ROI for 5-10 years. Upgrade to Private after, if that is one of your plan.
Yes. (I am assuming you two are in love and ready to be married)
1) BTO is impossible to lose money
BTO are subsidised heavily. I have never heard of a BTO, after meeting the MOP of 5 years, that sold below the original price.
Just based on that, its impossible to lose money.
Currently some of the BTO flats in Tiong Bahru, Kallang just met their MOP 5 years and the price is doubled of the BTO price.
2) If you choose a suitable size, all or most of your payment is via your CPF (money you can't touch via other means anyway)
3) What about renovation, furniture or stuff like that?
If you want to save, don't renovate (or do light touch up only)
Go for lite or Zen look, go for as little furnitures as possible. Go facebook group and google for Freegan Singapore or downloand OLIO app for freebies.
I have so many friends who done their family up with not much money. The priority in their life is not to save money, its to start their family ASAP when they still have little savings in life.
Planning ahead is good, and I'd say it's recommended due to the nature of public housing here having to wait a few yeas after applying before it's ready for move in. Having said this, do think long and hard about marriage. It's not something easily unravelled once both of you sign on the wedding certificate. If both of you are committed to each other and to sticking to a strict financial plan to pay off your student debts and at the same time saving for renovation expenses, then why not go ahead and apply? It will be a few years before the keys can be collected and this will give you some time to plan for renovation.
Yes if you two are serious about marriage and will work together to save money and invest.
I see a lot of good answers by the community. Maybe I share another perspective.
Instead of looking at finances, look at what future the two of you wish to have.
1) Go for marriage preparation course. That should be the first step ImHO. Credits to Cathie Chew who mentioned it before.
That would have helped you guys to decide further, based on your spending habits, likes dislike
2) As much as I discourage irresponsible behaviour, being an adult also means looking at the "ugliest" side of your spouse / other half
Go for a relative long trip or co habit for 1 week. Plenty of surprises awaits you.
3) Then finally, you should start to plan for your finances should the above helped to guide the family goals. With family, then will country prosper.
Let me know different thoughts.
If you both love each other and know that you will be together for the rest of your lives, the answer is Yes!
Some basic assumptions and key points to take note: -
You may also need to consider other aspects of your life - contributions to your own families (e.g. parents' allowance, own bills), wedding expenses and future planning. Exciting times - make up a plan and make it work!
This is a tough one!
Balancing between a few factors:
I think point 1, you can decide on your own. And for point 2, I think since you have a stable earning, I would highly recommend to consider it now! For point 3, being extremely prudent, as the only fees you would pay would be your downpayment and not the monthly repayment... while you save up before you get your keys!
For me personally, we delayed applying until both of us were in reasonably stable jobs with a form of predictable income! And thankfully we were not saddled with Student debt. But that being said, a home is worth planning for, especially if you are keen to settle down before 30-ish? Which I assume you should be also in this age band.
Oh ya, fun fact, we applied for 7 times before we successfully got something finally! (going to pick our flat tomorrow) Awesome! So it took us another 1.5 years of balloting before we got it (in a mature estate). So do think about that also! I don't see a occurence where first time buyers immediately get their flats (it usually takes a few tries!)
How about no.