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Anonymous

01 Jun 2020

CPF

When you want to calculate your net worth, should you include the cash value in your whole life insurance policies and money in your CPF accounts (OA, SA, MA)?

Am trying to monitor the growth of my networth. Should these be included as well apart from house, cash on hand, stocks and bonds? What else should be included in networth?

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For retirement planning purposes, CPF OA, SA and MA should all be included but treated separately — OA is investable/withdrawable, SA funds CPF LIFE payouts, MA is your healthcare reserve. My calculator actually models all three separately so there's no double counting!

I actually feel that it depends on which life stages you are at right now. Though many of the comments here would include CPF and whole life insurances to their net worth, I beg to differ.

For myself, I am only 22 this year. It would take me at least another 33 years to 'touch' my CPF. Although yes, I can use it earlier to buy housing etc. But still, if I were to sell the house, I need to 'return' the money.

I would be more interested to calculate the growth in my savings, investments, etc. Which would help me in my finacial planning better.
However, if you are calculating your net worth to plan for retirement, yes. Since you can withdraw your CPF from 55 onwards / 65 onwards for monthly payout, you can include that in your calculations to see how much you need to save now to prepare for retirement.

Elijah Lee

01 Jun 2020

Senior Financial Services Manager at Phillip Securities (Jurong East)

Hi anon,

Yes, I would include it.

Your net worth is a measure of what and how much assets are in your name, and that will become available for distribution if you are no longer around. Naturally, some items will not be touchable, such as CPF MA, but monies there will be given to your next of kin if you are gone. So, you may include it. You might want to consider segmenting your net worth into liquid and illiquid if you wanted a more detailed breakdown.

Some ideas for what can fall under your net worth, as well as categorization:

  • Liquid net worth would include cash and near cash assets such as bank monies and FDs.

  • Invested assets would include your bonds, stocks, investment property, etc. This is where the whole life cash value may come into the picture, as that is the amount available to you if you liquidate it. Investment items like art works and watches can also count.

  • CPF can be a category on its own

  • Personal assets would be a little more illiquid but still count towards your net worth, such as residential property or the value of your vehicle

  • Remember to net off liabilities such as mortgage and loans.

As always, remember to make a CPF nomination and a will to ensure distribution of your estate according to your wishes. Documenting your net worth will be helpful in completing your schedule of assets for a will, so that your loved ones know what you have.

Nigel Tan

31 May 2020

Executive Senior Financial Planner at Great Eastern Life

Definitely, there are quite a number of things you could fund using your CPF. Although you can't really withdraw it till you're much older, your home is an asset that is funded heavily with your CPF OA funds. Additionally, you may use part of it to invest in it for potentially better returns.

I've heard of someone who invested his CPF money and it fully paid off his $400k HDB flat. Investing it at higher returns can also allow you to stagger payments by selling off your investments back into the CPF account to pay for your monthly mortgage (eg. In the event you or your wife had just given birth and are not actively working during that period; assuming both parents previously working)

Whole life insurance policies cash value can also be utilised for many purposes.

You may loan from the policy cash value anytime you want for unexpected life events or emergency needs (eg. Family member hospitalised / retrenched). Or the cash value can also form part of your retirement should you feel you no longer need the coverage.

Do remember to make your CPF nominations as well as they're not included in your will.

Your networth should include all of your assets less outstanding liabilites.

The value of the house you live in, your car. Anything that can be liquidated into cash can form part of your networth as long as it has value (even if you sell it at a loss).

Some people put art pieces, luxury bags or watches in it as well since there's a market for all these goods.

Sharon

31 May 2020

Life Alchemist at School of Hard Knocks

Yes you should include them. I track mine using Investment Moats' excel sheet, which can be found he...

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