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Anonymous

05 Mar 2020

General Investing

Self-investment vs giving money to a fund manager to invest?

Which one should i do and why?

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靠自己最好 is excellent advice.

For self-investing You must be very well informed, read a lot.

Open up very cheap online brokerage account with capability also to buy

on the U.S. european, and maybe China markets.

Avoid mutual funds/unit trusts completely.

Instead think of global passive indexing ETFs (lowest fees, highly successful in the past)

For stock market investing there is evidence by several studies that active mutual fund managers on average, but generally on longterm, are not capable of beating the market,

id. e., outperforming a simple passive index like f.ex. SP500

more on my thinking here:

https://seedly.sg/questions/what-is-your-genera...

HC Tang

09 Apr 2019

Financial Enthusiast, Budgeting at The Society

It doesn't have to be just self-invest or giving $ to fund manager to invest.

Fund manager fees are too high compare to other options, these days all goes either buying ETF, index or uses Robo advisors with low fees.

I recommend start with Roboadvisor, with this as the guide:
https://blog.seedly.sg/working-adults-easiest-w...

If you have more time and really keen to DIY invest yourself, then you can sign on for more recommended classes to self invest ! :)

Cheers!

  1. How much time do you have to research?
  2. Do you enjoy it?
  3. Do you have a solid temperament?

If the above answers are acceptable, remember that returns are unpredictable but costs are predictable so always go with the choice which has lower costs.

If not, a good fund manager can do the job for you but how to pick one is an art more than a science :)

Though I would be leaning towards self investment, it entirely depends on the returns that you are expecting to get from your investments and commitment level that you are wiling to put in to handling your own investment.

If you are guy that has the time, want better returns than the market, and are willing to put in the effort to really look at investments for a major part of the the day, reading up and perhaps doing your own analysis, then self investment is a good idea. Your ability in this case should be sufficient in order to create your own opinions and to invest by yourself - there are a few individual retail traders out there that are able to do so. But of course, this is still few compared to the millions of investors that are investing everyday.

If you don't have the time, don't wish to put in the effort, yet want substantial returns above the market, then self investment is as good as throwing random darts at a dart board - you won't get good picks because of your own skill, you get it because you are lucky. In this case, perhaps looking at a professionally managed fund is for you - that is if you have the money, and are willing to take the risk. When I say money, I mean alot of money for investments. When I say risk, I mean you could be up 20%, or down 20%, and it isn't consistent. Thats risky. If you are using your savings for your house, maybe this isn't the road for you. Why I say this is essentially because I don't want to totally discount investing in fund managers when they can perhaps value add and give you some form of exposure to the market that is in line with your investment goal, and manage it well. Though it's true we all want to invest by ourselves since it's definitely cheaper, the time and skill required for proper analysis isn't exactly cheap. Some people just won't have the time to sink into getting this skillset. If you're one of them, I don't think getting a cost efficient, well performing fund manager to help you invest your money is wrong.

If you are like me, looking to accumulate my wealth, maybe don't really have so much time to do my own in depth analysis, yet want some return that beats bonds and inflation, then you could look to just purely broad based index investing, which can easily be done by yourself through an ETF in the exchange or a very low cost index fund.You basically get the market return, which isn't bad at all if you are investing in the US S&P to be frank. Now you may say the investing in an index fund is the same as giving money to a fund manager, but essentially the low cost of it and the ability to efficiently reinvest back your dividends without the need for transaction cost is the main reason why I don't really consider such passive investment methods "giving money to the fund manager" . I only think that active investment management by these fund managers who seek to get above market returns as giving them the money to invest, since they charge quite exorbitant fees.

All in all, it depends on your investment commitment and goal.

This is not an either-or. You can have a core, passive ETF portfolio,and use active management for a...

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